Comments on: Armenia: Dashnaks Celebrate Karabakh Anniversary, Promise Street Protests http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/ News, Photography, Blogs & Analysis Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:40:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Kurdfrench http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9241 Kurdfrench Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:30:15 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9241 I don't like the word "yezidi", i prefer the word kurd, because yezidi it is only a religion, not an origin. Armenians are selfish they themselves as the only victims of 1915: did they forget that turkey also has killed 600.000 Kurds ans 450.000 Assyrians? The y inly speak about 1.500.000 Armenians. Do you thinck that this road is only Armenian? Why does Armenia hate so much Kurd? I don’t like the word “yezidi”, i prefer the word kurd, because yezidi it is only a religion, not an origin.
Armenians are selfish they themselves as the only victims of 1915: did they forget that turkey also has killed 600.000 Kurds ans 450.000 Assyrians? The y inly speak about 1.500.000 Armenians.
Do you thinck that this road is only Armenian? Why does Armenia hate so much Kurd?

]]> By: ASH http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9132 ASH Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:39:00 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9132 PAUL - What do you consider persecution, requesting minorities to learn native language of country they have made a choice to live in, much like I had to learn English to integrate in Canada, or is it persecution when any given country asks of its citizens to be loyal to the interests of their homeland and stay united – instead of selling out , place you call home, to highest bitter – much like the brainless Russian stooge that dropped a bomb in the crowed when Bush was in Tbilisi??? Throughout my travels to Georgia all I have seen is the most multicultural and hospitable people in the world. Our nation has blossomed for centuries in Georgia and has been in many ways at the core of its traditions, culture and development. Of course mutual respect and dept of our national interconnection with Georgians has never been in Russia’s best interests. They have always attempted to come between our nations (I am speaking from personal experiences traveling in Russia during soviet era). Samtskhe-Javakheti is Georgian just as Karabakh is Armenian land. At the beginning of 20th century Dashnaks attempted to do something for our nation – instead they created a chaos in our region, playing right into the hands of Russians and giving possibility to communists to march in to the Caucasus and brake it up into bits and peaces hence all of today’s territorial conflicts. But most important tragedy for my/OUR people is the fact that when my Great Grandfather died fighting, succeeded liberating our land from Turks – Russians handed it back to them on silver platter trading it off for Besarabia and other European landmarks that they had more interest in. You see in 21 century the only hope is - that Western nations or even double-crossing Russians can not get away with crimes like almost a century ago – after all we live in times of information superhighways. Here is a thought – imagine united (put aside all territorial conflicts – even if for certain time frame) Caucasian nations, with great resources, most talented (known for centuries) brains and most strategic geographic lands – imagine how prosperous we could become – well that is not something Russia would be very happy about, is it?????? PAUL - What do you consider persecution, requesting minorities to learn native language of country they have made a choice to live in, much like I had to learn English to integrate in Canada, or is it persecution when any given country asks of its citizens to be loyal to the interests of their homeland and stay united – instead of selling out , place you call home, to highest bitter – much like the brainless Russian stooge that dropped a bomb in the crowed when Bush was in Tbilisi??? Throughout my travels to Georgia all I have seen is the most multicultural and hospitable people in the world. Our nation has blossomed for centuries in Georgia and has been in many ways at the core of its traditions, culture and development. Of course mutual respect and dept of our national interconnection with Georgians has never been in Russia’s best interests. They have always attempted to come between our nations (I am speaking from personal experiences traveling in Russia during soviet era). Samtskhe-Javakheti is Georgian just as Karabakh is Armenian land. At the beginning of 20th century Dashnaks attempted to do something for our nation – instead they created a chaos in our region, playing right into the hands of Russians and giving possibility to communists to march in to the Caucasus and brake it up into bits and peaces hence all of today’s territorial conflicts. But most important tragedy for my/OUR people is the fact that when my Great Grandfather died fighting, succeeded liberating our land from Turks – Russians handed it back to them on silver platter trading it off for Besarabia and other European landmarks that they had more interest in. You see in 21 century the only hope is - that Western nations or even double-crossing Russians can not get away with crimes like almost a century ago – after all we live in times of information superhighways. Here is a thought – imagine united (put aside all territorial conflicts – even if for certain time frame) Caucasian nations, with great resources, most talented (known for centuries) brains and most strategic geographic lands – imagine how prosperous we could become – well that is not something Russia would be very happy about, is it??????

]]> By: Paul http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9112 Paul Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:20:06 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9112 This is an opinion on Dashnaks either way ASH, but obviously Armenians in Glendale aren't persecuted the way they are in Javakh or would be in Karabakh. To equate these situations in order to represent how ridiculous this all is does a disservice to a real discussion at the issues at hand. I don't support the way Russia rapes Armenia either, though after what happened to Georgia I'm glad that Armenia didn't attach itself completely to the west either. This is an opinion on Dashnaks either way ASH, but obviously Armenians in Glendale aren’t persecuted the way they are in Javakh or would be in Karabakh. To equate these situations in order to represent how ridiculous this all is does a disservice to a real discussion at the issues at hand. I don’t support the way Russia rapes Armenia either, though after what happened to Georgia I’m glad that Armenia didn’t attach itself completely to the west either.

]]> By: ASH http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9109 ASH Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:26:29 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9109 Why do Armenians do not ask USA for autonomy in Glendale California???? What is this – a memory loss, a complete ignorance of history or Russia is paying enough to certain parties to spread this poison of resentment toward a successful neighbor nation. if Armenians did not hold on to ruthless, brainless drunks instead of having reliable nations back them up, they would be even more successful. I have never been so ashamed of my heritage – as I am today, reading the statements by those of you that are so blinded by your own ambitions, but then again one has to wonder – is it because no matter what Armenia does at the moment it will not catch up to Georgia’s progress, mainly because its leadership is sitting in “one place” of Russians and taking all of Armenia to a “road to nowhere” Why do Armenians do not ask USA for autonomy in Glendale California???? What is this – a memory loss, a complete ignorance of history or Russia is paying enough to certain parties to spread this poison of resentment toward a successful neighbor nation. if Armenians did not hold on to ruthless, brainless drunks instead of having reliable nations back them up, they would be even more successful. I have never been so ashamed of my heritage – as I am today, reading the statements by those of you that are so blinded by your own ambitions, but then again one has to wonder – is it because no matter what Armenia does at the moment it will not catch up to Georgia’s progress, mainly because its leadership is sitting in “one place” of Russians and taking all of Armenia to a “road to nowhere”

]]> By: Armenia & the South Caucasus | The Caucasian Knot » Blog Archive » Armenia: Criticism Ahead of Historic Football Match http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9031 Armenia & the South Caucasus | The Caucasian Knot » Blog Archive » Armenia: Criticism Ahead of Historic Football Match Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:59:26 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9031 [...] the Armenian Revolutionary Federation — Dashnaktsutyun (ARF-D) used the occasion of the 17th Anniversary of the declaration of Nagorno Karabakh’s independence to declare its intention to stage protests while its counterpart in the U.S. issued a [...] […] the Armenian Revolutionary Federation — Dashnaktsutyun (ARF-D) used the occasion of the 17th Anniversary of the declaration of Nagorno Karabakh’s independence to declare its intention to stage protests while its counterpart in the U.S. issued a […]

]]> By: Onnik http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9005 Onnik Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:57:55 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9005 Incidentally, it's worth pointing out that in addition to normalizing ties with Turkey and getting the border open, some diplomatic circles are now looking at establishing better Armenian-Turkish relations as crucial to resolving the Nagorno Karabakh conflict. The argument is that Yerevan and Baku can not compromise and the latter is very militaristic towards Armenia. However, Turkey can play a crucial role with regards to Azerbaijan's position in negotiations and therefore relations with Armenia are vital. Bryza might talk of so many "windows of opportunities," but there are diplomats here who don't believe it will happen unless relations with Turkey improve. Further to that, especially after the Russia-Georgia conflict, regional integration and stability is of vital importance for everyone. Incidentally, it’s worth pointing out that in addition to normalizing ties with Turkey and getting the border open, some diplomatic circles are now looking at establishing better Armenian-Turkish relations as crucial to resolving the Nagorno Karabakh conflict.

The argument is that Yerevan and Baku can not compromise and the latter is very militaristic towards Armenia. However, Turkey can play a crucial role with regards to Azerbaijan’s position in negotiations and therefore relations with Armenia are vital.

Bryza might talk of so many “windows of opportunities,” but there are diplomats here who don’t believe it will happen unless relations with Turkey improve. Further to that, especially after the Russia-Georgia conflict, regional integration and stability is of vital importance for everyone.

]]> By: Onnik http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-9000 Onnik Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:21:54 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-9000 While most political parties, analysts and observers welcome the move to invite the Turkish president, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation -- Dashanktsutyun (ARF-D) has issued a statement in the U.S. <blockquote>ARF Western US Central Committee Issues Statement on Gul Visit to Armenia On the occasion of the Sept. 6 visit by Turkish President Abdullah Gul to Armenia, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Western US Central Committee reaffirms the conviction of the organization and the entire Armenian-American community of the imperative for friendly and cooperative relations between Armenia and all of its bordering countries. At the same time, we assert the fact that Turkey still continues its 15-year blockade of Armenia, which has cost billions of dollars of damage to Armenia's economy and prohibits its own citizens from freely traveling to Armenia. Furthermore, Turkey continues its domestic and international campaign of denying the Armenian Genocide. Turkey also continues to enforce its criminal codes against its own citizens who dare to accurately discuss the Armenian Genocide. Simply put, Turkey continues its efforts to elude justice. We want to believe that this visit will not serve as a stage for Turkish propaganda and does not intend to be presented to the international press as a Turkish publicity stunt. Mr. Gul and the Turkish people would have wasted an historic opportunity, which could serve not only as a beginning to good neighborly relations, but also a true quest for justice. Thus, it is the ARF Western US's sincere hope that Mr. Gul's visit will become truly historic and will validate the promise of opening a new page in Armenia-Turkey relations. Our expectations, which mirror those of the Armenian nation in this regard, are that friendly and good neighborly relations can only be built upon a foundation of truth and justice, which include that Turkey, as the successor to the Ottoman Empire, unequivocally recognize and atone for the Armenian Genocide. This process requires the Republic of Turkey to accept its culpability as the successor state of the Ottoman Empire and to begin the process of relinquishing its ill gotten gains from that Genocide. This includes the return of all Armenian territories recognized to be part of the first Republic of Armenia. Within this framework, Turkey must adhere to the responsibilities and obligations it committed itself to under the Treaty of Sevres. It also includes the return of seized and appropriated real and personal properties to their rightful owners. Our organization remains true to its mission of being the voice to the will and national aspirations of the Armenian people. With this conviction, we will continue to be more demanding of the principle that the only way productive relations can be established is through justice and the truth. We hope that President Gul realizes the a mile away from the Hrazdan Stadium, the Dzidzernagapert Memorial Monument stands firm, and its spirit rests within Armenians everywhere. </blockquote> http://www.asbarez.com/index.html?showarticle=34692_9/4/2008_1 While most political parties, analysts and observers welcome the move to invite the Turkish president, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation — Dashanktsutyun (ARF-D) has issued a statement in the U.S.

ARF Western US Central Committee Issues Statement on Gul Visit to Armenia

On the occasion of the Sept. 6 visit by Turkish President Abdullah Gul to Armenia, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Western US Central Committee reaffirms the conviction of the organization and the entire Armenian-American community of the imperative for friendly and cooperative relations between Armenia and all of its bordering countries. At the same time, we assert the fact that Turkey still continues its 15-year blockade of Armenia, which has cost billions of dollars of damage to Armenia’s economy and prohibits its own citizens from freely traveling to Armenia. Furthermore, Turkey continues its domestic and international campaign of denying the Armenian Genocide. Turkey also continues to enforce its criminal codes against its own citizens who dare to accurately discuss the Armenian Genocide. Simply put, Turkey continues its efforts to elude justice.

We want to believe that this visit will not serve as a stage for Turkish propaganda and does not intend to be presented to the international press as a Turkish publicity stunt. Mr. Gul and the Turkish people would have wasted an historic opportunity, which could serve not only as a beginning to good neighborly relations, but also a true quest for justice.

Thus, it is the ARF Western US’s sincere hope that Mr. Gul’s visit will become truly historic and will validate the promise of opening a new page in Armenia-Turkey relations. Our expectations, which mirror those of the Armenian nation in this regard, are that friendly and good neighborly relations can only be built upon a foundation of truth and justice, which include that Turkey, as the successor to the Ottoman Empire, unequivocally recognize and atone for the Armenian Genocide. This process requires the Republic of Turkey to accept its culpability as the successor state of the Ottoman Empire and to begin the process of relinquishing its ill gotten gains from that Genocide. This includes the return of all Armenian territories recognized to be part of the first Republic of Armenia. Within this framework, Turkey must adhere to the responsibilities and obligations it committed itself to under the Treaty of Sevres. It also includes the return of seized and appropriated real and personal properties to their rightful owners.

Our organization remains true to its mission of being the voice to the will and national aspirations of the Armenian people. With this conviction, we will continue to be more demanding of the principle that the only way productive relations can be established is through justice and the truth. We hope that President Gul realizes the a mile away from the Hrazdan Stadium, the Dzidzernagapert Memorial Monument stands firm, and its spirit rests within Armenians everywhere.

http://www.asbarez.com/index.html?showarticle=34692_9/4/2008_1

]]> By: Onnik http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8993 Onnik Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:09:22 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8993 <blockquote>Turkish president Gul to pay a historic visit to Armenia on Saturday President Abdullah Gul will on Saturday become the first Turkish head of state to visit Armenia, his office said, taking an important step to restart diplomatic relations between two neighboring countries. Gul will go to Yerevan to attend a football match between the two countries, which do not have diplomatic relations Armenia's President Serge Sarkisian invited Gul last month to attend the qualifying match for the 2010 World Cup finals to mark "a new symbolic start in the countries' relations". Turkish diplomats and security officials have been in Yerevan this week making final preparations. "A visit around this match can create a new climate of friendship in the region," the Turkish presidency said in a statement posted on its website. "It is with this in mind that the president has accepted the invitation. "This match could lift the obstacles blocking the coming together of two peoples who share a common history and can create a new foundation," it said. The Turkish presidency said it hoped the visit means "an opportunity for a better mutual understanding." Gul will arrive in Yerevan two hours before the match and go directly to the office of Sargsyan. The meeting of two presidents is expected to last for one hour. Gul is expected to discuss the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute and Turkey's proposal for establishing a Caucasus alliance with Sargsyan. If they do, this would be the first time that the Nagorno-Karabakh issue is on the agenda of a bilateral meeting. Turkish delegation will leave Yerevan as soon as the match ends. [...] Sarkisian earlier welcomed a Turkish proposal for a new forum in the volatile Caucasus region after meeting a senior Turkish envoy to prepare the visit. "Armenia has always welcomed and welcomes all efforts directed at the strengthening of confidence, stability and security, and at deepening cooperation in the region," Sarkisian said in a statement after meeting Gul's special envoy Unal Cevikoz. He added that Guls special envoy Unal Cevikoz's visit "raises the possibility of talks to settle mutual relations" between the two countries. A warming period had started between two neighboring countries when the two presidents exchanged letters after Sargsyan's election victory. Gul's visit raised hopes that the two major problems, Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia's genocide claims, could be solved through dialogue.</blockquote> http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9816765.asp?gid=244&sz=59935

Turkish president Gul to pay a historic visit to Armenia on Saturday

President Abdullah Gul will on Saturday become the first Turkish head of state to visit Armenia, his office said, taking an important step to restart diplomatic relations between two neighboring countries.

Gul will go to Yerevan to attend a football match between the two countries, which do not have diplomatic relations

Armenia’s President Serge Sarkisian invited Gul last month to attend the qualifying match for the 2010 World Cup finals to mark “a new symbolic start in the countries’ relations”. Turkish diplomats and security officials have been in Yerevan this week making final preparations.

“A visit around this match can create a new climate of friendship in the region,” the Turkish presidency said in a statement posted on its website. “It is with this in mind that the president has accepted the invitation.

“This match could lift the obstacles blocking the coming together of two peoples who share a common history and can create a new foundation,” it said.

The Turkish presidency said it hoped the visit means “an opportunity for a better mutual understanding.”

Gul will arrive in Yerevan two hours before the match and go directly to the office of Sargsyan. The meeting of two presidents is expected to last for one hour.

Gul is expected to discuss the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute and Turkey’s proposal for establishing a Caucasus alliance with Sargsyan. If they do, this would be the first time that the Nagorno-Karabakh issue is on the agenda of a bilateral meeting.

Turkish delegation will leave Yerevan as soon as the match ends.

[…]

Sarkisian earlier welcomed a Turkish proposal for a new forum in the volatile Caucasus region after meeting a senior Turkish envoy to prepare the visit.

“Armenia has always welcomed and welcomes all efforts directed at the strengthening of confidence, stability and security, and at deepening cooperation in the region,” Sarkisian said in a statement after meeting Gul’s special envoy Unal Cevikoz.

He added that Guls special envoy Unal Cevikoz’s visit “raises the possibility of talks to settle mutual relations” between the two countries.

A warming period had started between two neighboring countries when the two presidents exchanged letters after Sargsyan’s election victory. Gul’s visit raised hopes that the two major problems, Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia’s genocide claims, could be solved through dialogue.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9816765.asp?gid=244&sz=59935

]]> By: hawqala http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8992 hawqala Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:01:10 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8992 Unfortunately a new terror threat against Armenians, Jews, and ethnic Russians is predicted in this post georgia - russia timelie: http://www.julaybib.com/anomaly-briefs/2008/9/3/armitage-brzezinski-international-crisis-group-post-georgia.html Unfortunately a new terror threat against Armenians, Jews, and ethnic Russians is predicted in this post georgia - russia timelie:

http://www.julaybib.com/anomaly-briefs/2008/9/3/armitage-brzezinski-international-crisis-group-post-georgia.html

]]> By: Onnik http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8991 Onnik Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:19:59 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8991 <blockquote>Turkish president in Armenia trip The Turkish President, Abdullah Gul, is to attend a football match in Armenia, his office says, signalling an apparent thaw in relations. The Turkish and Armenian teams will face each other for the first time in a World Cup qualifier on Saturday. The two countries have no official ties and their shared border remains closed. Turkey has rejected Armenia's campaign for the killings of some 1.5m of its citizens, by Ottoman Turks between 1915 and 1917, to be classified as genocide. [...] Mr Gul will become the first Turkish head of state to visit the Armenian capital, Yerevan, when he attends the match with his counterpart, Serge Sarkisian. This visit is likely to be highly controversial in Turkey, says the BBC's Pam O'Toole. The Armenian invitation has already sparked a major debate, with some nationalists regarding the fact that the president was even considering taking it up as a betrayal of the country's national interests.</blockquote> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7596768.stm

Turkish president in Armenia trip

The Turkish President, Abdullah Gul, is to attend a football match in Armenia, his office says, signalling an apparent thaw in relations.
The Turkish and Armenian teams will face each other for the first time in a World Cup qualifier on Saturday.

The two countries have no official ties and their shared border remains closed.

Turkey has rejected Armenia’s campaign for the killings of some 1.5m of its citizens, by Ottoman Turks between 1915 and 1917, to be classified as genocide.

[…]

Mr Gul will become the first Turkish head of state to visit the Armenian capital, Yerevan, when he attends the match with his counterpart, Serge Sarkisian.

This visit is likely to be highly controversial in Turkey, says the BBC’s Pam O’Toole.

The Armenian invitation has already sparked a major debate, with some nationalists regarding the fact that the president was even considering taking it up as a betrayal of the country’s national interests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7596768.stm

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Armenia: Nagorno Karabakh Independence, Relations with Turkey http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8989 Global Voices Online » Armenia: Nagorno Karabakh Independence, Relations with Turkey Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:13:11 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8989 [...] Federation — Dashnaktsutyun (ARF-D), a member of the coalition government in the country and noted that other regional issues were also on the agenda. Despite being represented in the coalition government, speakers used the occasion to declare that [...] […] Federation — Dashnaktsutyun (ARF-D), a member of the coalition government in the country and noted that other regional issues were also on the agenda. Despite being represented in the coalition government, speakers used the occasion to declare that […]

]]> By: Aram http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8979 Aram Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:58:39 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8979 How many times in Armenian history have we been guided by wishful thinking, that Turks and Armenians will just get along. Call me suspicious, but I think the State-Department funded media keeps churning out "quotes" from youth in Armenia wishing for reconciliation with the hope that media can shape reality. While I hope for normal relations between neighbors, it is Turkey which must show sincerity in the pledge, not young gullible Armenians. Armenia didn't close the border (act of war). Armenia didn't disallow relief aid (following the earthquake). Armenia has not used religious and cultural remnants for wide scale military target practice. Armenia has not participated in a war against Turkey (training and arming of Azeri troops). I am not even bringing up historical revisionism, plunder and the act of nation-built-on-bones-and-wealth of those cleansed in 1915 et al. and on and on and on... The list is long, and frankly to those other than blind wishful thinkers, it is not very confidence-inspiring. How many times in Armenian history have we been guided by wishful thinking, that Turks and Armenians will just get along. Call me suspicious, but I think the State-Department funded media keeps churning out “quotes” from youth in Armenia wishing for reconciliation with the hope that media can shape reality. While I hope for normal relations between neighbors, it is Turkey which must show sincerity in the pledge, not young gullible Armenians.

Armenia didn’t close the border (act of war).
Armenia didn’t disallow relief aid (following the earthquake).
Armenia has not used religious and cultural remnants for wide scale military target practice.
Armenia has not participated in a war against Turkey (training and arming of Azeri troops).

I am not even bringing up historical revisionism, plunder and the act of nation-built-on-bones-and-wealth of those cleansed in 1915 et al.

and on and on and on…

The list is long, and frankly to those other than blind wishful thinkers, it is not very confidence-inspiring.

]]> By: Onnik http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8978 Onnik Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:07:07 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8978 Nothing to do with the Dashnaks, but because of the possibility of problems between the two rival teams for the football, doesn't look as though Turkish fans will be coming for the match. Will be interesting if some come anyway, and also whether anyone will try to sneak in an Armenian banner or two if Gul is present. <blockquote>Turkish Soccer Fans ‘Not Coming To Armenia’ By Astghik Bedevian Turkish fans will not after all flock to Yerevan for Saturday’s landmark match between the national football teams of Armenia and Turkey, the chairman of the Armenian Football Federation (FFA) said on Tuesday. The development will spare the Armenian government a major security headache during Turkish President Abdullah Gul’s anticipated presence at the soccer World Cup qualifier which the two nations hope to use for improving their strained relations. Under the rules of world football’s governing body, FIFA, a country hosting a World Cup match must set aside at least 5 percent of stadium seats for traveling fans. The Hrazdan stadium, the largest in Armenia, has a capacity of more than 51,000 seats, meaning that at least 2,500 Turks are entitled to cheering for their team there. The FFA and the Yerevan government have repeatedly expressed their readiness to comply with the FIFA requirement and receive a large number of Turkey fans. To that end the government decided last month to waive visa requirements for Turkish citizens visiting Armenia from September 1-6. “The Turkish Football Federation has officially said that their football fans will not be coming here,” the FFA chairman, Ruben Hayrapetian. “They have only asked for tickets for 115 members of the Turkish delegation and another 15 tickets for VIPs.” The game will also be covered by as many as 100 Turkish journalists, he said. [...] Hayrapetian said the FFA has decided to ban Armenian soccer fans from bringing banners referring to the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire and other “political” issues into the stadium. “Only football-related placards will be allowed there,” he said. “A victory for Armenia would send a much stronger message that a few banners.” </blockquote> http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2008/09/D6E9BB8C-4B99-4645-9C94-EFE88761B505.ASP Nothing to do with the Dashnaks, but because of the possibility of problems between the two rival teams for the football, doesn’t look as though Turkish fans will be coming for the match. Will be interesting if some come anyway, and also whether anyone will try to sneak in an Armenian banner or two if Gul is present.

Turkish Soccer Fans ‘Not Coming To Armenia’

By Astghik Bedevian

Turkish fans will not after all flock to Yerevan for Saturday’s landmark match between the national football teams of Armenia and Turkey, the chairman of the Armenian Football Federation (FFA) said on Tuesday.

The development will spare the Armenian government a major security headache during Turkish President Abdullah Gul’s anticipated presence at the soccer World Cup qualifier which the two nations hope to use for improving their strained relations.

Under the rules of world football’s governing body, FIFA, a country hosting a World Cup match must set aside at least 5 percent of stadium seats for traveling fans. The Hrazdan stadium, the largest in Armenia, has a capacity of more than 51,000 seats, meaning that at least 2,500 Turks are entitled to cheering for their team there.

The FFA and the Yerevan government have repeatedly expressed their readiness to comply with the FIFA requirement and receive a large number of Turkey fans. To that end the government decided last month to waive visa requirements for Turkish citizens visiting Armenia from September 1-6.

“The Turkish Football Federation has officially said that their football fans will not be coming here,” the FFA chairman, Ruben Hayrapetian. “They have only asked for tickets for 115 members of the Turkish delegation and another 15 tickets for VIPs.” The game will also be covered by as many as 100 Turkish journalists, he said.

[…]

Hayrapetian said the FFA has decided to ban Armenian soccer fans from bringing banners referring to the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire and other “political” issues into the stadium. “Only football-related placards will be allowed there,” he said. “A victory for Armenia would send a much stronger message that a few banners.”

http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2008/09/D6E9BB8C-4B99-4645-9C94-EFE88761B505.ASP

]]> By: Onnik http://blog.oneworld.am/2008/09/03/armenia-dashnaks-celebrate-karabakh-anniversary-demand-autonomy-in-georgia/#comment-8977 Onnik Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:52:32 +0000 http://blog.oneworld.am/?p=939#comment-8977 Regardless of the small turnout -- and not least because it was a party political event -- A1 Plus reports that reaction to the question of Armenian-Turkish relations is mixed: <blockquote>CAN ARMENIANS AND TURKS BE ON FRIENDLY TERMS? 03 September, 2008 Today the main theme of discussions in Armenia’s political circles is Turkey’s President Abdullah Gul’s upcoming visit to Armenia. A1+ tried to know our fellow-citizens opinion on Gul’s arrival. “Turks have always been our enemies. They always hated us and felt disgust towards Armenians. What is the use of inviting them to Armenia today? Do we really need them?” said 69-year-old Knarik. Her grandfather was murdered by Turks in 1915. In the main, old-age people agree with Grandma Knarik saying that Turkey will never be on good terms with Armenia. “Turks are fraudulent people. No matter how much our president tries to reconcile the sides his efforts will surely fail doing harm to Armenia,” said 62-year-old Vardan. Unlike elderly people youth welcome the authorities’ step. “They simply want to better the tense bilateral relations,” said 24-year-old Hasmik who wants to live in peace. “Surely we should forget neither the Genocide nor its perpetrators. And yet, we shouldn’t allow our countries to speculate the matter for their good. Armenia and Turkey had better solve their problems with joint efforts,” said 20-year-old Hayk. 18-year-old Alina says her friends from Iran write to her every day and scold for the invitation. “They say they don’t live in Armenia because of the Turks.” 37-year-old Vigen doubts that Armenia and Turkey can ever reconcile. “They instill hatred in Turkish children towards Armenians still in cradles. How can Turks love us?” wondered 37-year-old Vigen. “The youth of the 21st century are against wars. We are ready to conciliate with Turks. We do believe that Turkish youth will agree with us,” said 19-year-old Laura. </blockquote> http://www.a1plus.am/en/?page=issue&iid=63699 Regardless of the small turnout — and not least because it was a party political event — A1 Plus reports that reaction to the question of Armenian-Turkish relations is mixed:

CAN ARMENIANS AND TURKS BE ON FRIENDLY TERMS?

03 September, 2008

Today the main theme of discussions in Armenia’s political circles is Turkey’s President Abdullah Gul’s upcoming visit to Armenia. A1+ tried to know our fellow-citizens opinion on Gul’s arrival.

“Turks have always been our enemies. They always hated us and felt disgust towards Armenians. What is the use of inviting them to Armenia today? Do we really need them?” said 69-year-old Knarik. Her grandfather was murdered by Turks in 1915.

In the main, old-age people agree with Grandma Knarik saying that Turkey will never be on good terms with Armenia.

“Turks are fraudulent people. No matter how much our president tries to reconcile the sides his efforts will surely fail doing harm to Armenia,” said 62-year-old Vardan.

Unlike elderly people youth welcome the authorities’ step. “They simply want to better the tense bilateral relations,” said 24-year-old Hasmik who wants to live in peace.

“Surely we should forget neither the Genocide nor its perpetrators. And yet, we shouldn’t allow our countries to speculate the matter for their good. Armenia and Turkey had better solve their problems with joint efforts,” said 20-year-old Hayk.

18-year-old Alina says her friends from Iran write to her every day and scold for the invitation. “They say they don’t live in Armenia because of the Turks.”

37-year-old Vigen doubts that Armenia and Turkey can ever reconcile.

“They instill hatred in Turkish children towards Armenians still in cradles. How can Turks love us?” wondered 37-year-old Vigen.

“The youth of the 21st century are against wars. We are ready to conciliate with Turks. We do believe that Turkish youth will agree with us,” said 19-year-old Laura.

http://www.a1plus.am/en/?page=issue&iid=63699

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